Polymaths and Being Nobody.

[00:00:01] Speaker A: The world of healing can be treacherous. But suddenly Spiritual aims to provide real, honest, practical, spiritual knowledge and wisdom for the true seekers among us. The goal is to ignite the divine human within each listener, raising the collective consciousness for our planet. We will challenge your preconceptions, push your buttons, and encourage deep reflect. We're not here to adhere to the status quo of what the new age spiritual market wants you to buy into and believe. Consider this your antidote to the woo, woo and a place of woo. You. [00:00:53] Speaker B: I was today years old when I found out what a polymath is, Sean. I'm kind of shook about it, this whole polymath situation, which I was called a polymath a few weeks ago by one of my dear friends who is very. [00:01:07] Speaker A: Did you think it was an insult? [00:01:09] Speaker B: Sort of. I kind of thought it was an insult. I thought, well, not an insult, it was more like wishy washy or someone who has some form of ADD or adhd. But I was like, polymath. Robert, what are you talking about so far? [00:01:29] Speaker A: For those who don't know what is polymath? [00:01:32] Speaker B: A polymath is someone who is good at many things and has interests that they dive into, and they really become engrossed in those interests. And they have wide ranging, like, they have range, they can paint a beautiful painting, but they also know about astrophysics and can speak about it eloquently and have ideas, original ideas and thoughts about that, or can speak about contemporary dance in Europe in the late 1900s. They can do all those things. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Well, if you think back to quote unquote, back in the day, and your ancestors, I'm saying, yours in particular, Greeks, you were a doctor or you were an astrologist, you were a philosopher. There was no segmentation. And when did it become okay in modern society where it's basically divide and conquer? So you people be this thing, this job, you be this one and you be this one. But then we'll reap all the benefits because each one of you don't know about the other one or don't care because you're in your lane and you're just doing what we want you to do and it's reinforced. It's like you can only be one thing. And it's always that phrase, jack of all trades, Jill of all, master of none. You see how it denigrates being polymath? You're a jack of many things, so. And you're not mastering any of them. The implication being you, you can only master one thing at a time. I agree. But Overall, Well, I think it has. [00:03:17] Speaker B: To do with capitalism. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:03:19] Speaker B: 100. I think it has to do with capitalism. And actually the. [00:03:22] Speaker A: So are we changing the podcast to self awareness or capitalism? It's one of those two. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Let's change the name Self awareness. Self awareness. I think self awareness is good. Capitalism is capitalism. [00:03:33] Speaker A: Celebrating it potentially. If we change the name. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Yeah, let's not. Let's. Let's celebrate self awareness. Let's help people with their self awareness, support them in self awareness so that they can navigate post capitalism and what's going on. And the judgment of being a polymath, where people see it as, oh, you're not really good at, you know, all the things that you are interested in. You're not even good at one thing. You're quote unquote, half assing a bunch of stuff and not full assing one thing. Which being a Gemini, I've heard many. [00:04:16] Speaker A: Times in my life, it's funny you mentioned, you know, half assing stuff. I do recognize that a lot. So especially in my field, and we talked about it before, you know, people going through, I guess, imposter syndrome, that's their own thing. Trying to figure this out. For me, especially in my field of work, I see people who are getting some tools and then they think they're better at something than they are and that's fine. But don't pretend to be more than you are. Again, goes back to self awareness, know where you are and then get better as opposed to winging it. And when you say that, when you said that word, half ass, I what I think of, and I was guilty of this when I was younger and thankfully I got pushed out of it, is somebody with talent not working hard and like just cruising as opposed to the person with a little less talent working hard and being successful 10x because nose to the grind, just putting in the work and not as talented, but oh, and I see this all the time, always getting further ahead. And then sort of the talented person who isn't working as hard, kind of judging, kind of just going, oh, okay, yeah. So when you say that, that's what I think of. And I was guilty of that too. People like, oh, you're really talented. And then it just got into my head, okay, I got talent. That's enough. Then stuff will just happen. And then I would always do everything last minute and kill it. So then it reinforces in your ego. But after a certain point it's like, this is too stressful. And then I found out, hey, if I do a little bit at A time, but do it really well. It's even better. Like, I've gotten to the point with my art where I'm just taking my time, and it's a hundred percent better because the flow is constant as opposed to time constraint. Let me access the flow, do it quickly, and then spit it out. But then all the stress leading up to it, it affects the work. And I think when we think about art, living our life is art. Like, there's an art to living your life and figuring it out. It is individualistic. But when we're trying to figure out what is my life purpose? Does it have to have a purpose? Or is it a process of going through something? So should your life have a purpose in itself? Because for me, it's. It's a process. We're going through things, we have goals, there's a direction. But you're living it. You're going through it, living in the moment. [00:07:18] Speaker B: I think with purpose, what happens is purpose. It needs to be a singular thing. It can only be one life. You can only have one magical life purpose. And it's almost like this Easter egg that you have to find. And you better know what it is. And again, it better be one thing. It cannot be multiple things. And it needs to be on this massive global scale. And it needs to be just like angels need to sing. When you are in your life's purpose, whatever even that means in your life purpose. Because from what you just said, John, it's a process. So there's no real destination. There's real. There's no finish line. These are very conflicting types of ideas. And of course, people are going to be very confused and very judgmental towards their purpose or lack thereof, or their process to finding what that is or the direction and what it looks like. People are going to get really, really critical about it. Because unfortunately, that is how our society has been set up to be critical about it. And so if you are a polymath, for instance, where you're good at many things and you have many interests and say that you are, your overarching, let's say, mission statement is to help people in the world. I mean, that's super vague. Help people in the world. That's my purpose. Okay. How it looks and the flavor that you bring to it. If it's being the best mom ever, you know, there's a lot of judgment and criticism around what your purpose is, what it looks like, how you're doing it in life. And I think that actually stops people from finding their, quote, unquote, Purpose altogether. [00:09:25] Speaker A: So for those people who are consciously regardless of what we just said, it's just a term, but it means something different to everybody whether they use the word purpose or not. Maybe finding the trajectory of their life or what do I want to do now as a flat as opposed to the purpose? I think purpose is, hey, I'm living, I'm alive, I'm breathing. Okay, that's done. We know we have a purpose now, but what do you want to achieve? What do you want to do? I know a lot of people are busy going through life, and some people just like to be told, which is not what we do here. But I know a lot of people like sort of guide posts, maybe even formulas, anything that can help them, I guess, start on the road and just say, yeah, let me just lay this out. [00:10:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. Formulas help. So what is my purpose? To me, it really equals what am I doing in the world to make my mark on humanity, on the planet, on consciousness. If we want to make it even larger in terms of mark, what is my legacy? It's not so much stamping a brand like this is my mark. It's more so what do I want to leave behind when I'm gone? And I think it was the ancient Greeks who said it could be attributed to the Romans. I'm not sure where who you are dies when the last person who remembers you dies. So what are you leaving behind? What is your legacy? That, to me is more so what my purpose is, is what is the product of what I've done with my human existence. [00:11:22] Speaker A: So I've thought about this, and for those listening who are going through sort of the same thing I was at the time, I struggled with going through this and trying to get ego out of the way because initially it's like, okay, make my mark. What am I going to do? What's my stamp going to be? I got to, like, build a thing or win an award or do a thing. So I'm permanently on this wall. So people see me. That's my mark. And people forget. They'll see this recognition I got, and then they'll remember, like, I'll still exist. Like you said. Maybe people will forget. But then because I'm stamped on this thing, I'll be immortal, are timeless. And then I slowly evolved into being the silent influencer. Where. And being a teacher, it's like, okay, well, I was thinking, okay, well, what are my students doing? Are they successful? And then not even going, oh, it's all because of Sean. It's like, no, I led them on the way to discover what it is. And I know I started them, I didn't do any of the work, but then see them succeed. Not unlike having children, but in the sense where it's a creditless, like not accredited. Like they're go up and win an award. They're not going to thank me or they're going to make their mark or help a lot of people. And I don't want thanks. I just want to go, oh, yeah, I know who that is. Good for them. And I wasn't even thinking in an ego way. I just remembered, oh, yeah, I remember that student in my class. And good for them as opposed to, I remember them and I did this. And of course they're successful because of me, me, me, me, me, me. I. So once I transitioned through that, it was more about, okay, if I can just help one person have better audio or have one person speak a little better without them crediting me. Just seeing them get better and then taking me out of the equation as far as patting myself on the back. And I'm still working on that. And it was very hard and it still is. Again, it's not like I'm done, right? But recognizing the ego component of that and then trying to. Well, there is no try working on removing it. Yoda was in my head just now, so. But maybe some direction of working on that ego part of this. [00:14:05] Speaker B: You know, what I just said. And what you just said reminds me of Ram Dass. Ram Dass is a person who I see as one of my teachers. I've spoken about Ram Dass before on this podcast, and he's all about being nobody, not being a somebody, not being somebody who is attached to an identity. So it's kind of like antithetical to purpose in a way. Because if you're using your ego as a way to ex. Like you're using purpose as a way to express your ego, then you're being somebody because you have a name on a building and you are taking credit for students who you've worked with. Like, I don't remember Aristotle or Socrates anywhere, like, listing all of their students and be like, oh, you know, Diotima, that was one of my students. In works that they've written or that other philosophers have written. They will just say, I was one of Aristotle's students. Or it's a known thing. But there's no, like, roster list of all the students that Aristotle and Socrates and Plato had. If you're using ego as a way, if you're using your Purpose to express your ego, then you'll always be stuck in the somebody trap. So it's really getting out of somebody and being nobody, which nobody doesn't mean that you have no value. It just means that you've almost transcended that human ego desire to be known just for this singular identity that you have. And identity is so fluid, and identity is so passing. It's very temporary. But our spirits, which are nobodies, are forever. Again, that is my perspective. It's a little out there. I recognize that. But if you want to get out of the ego trap, moving into the place of just soul, of not being somebody, just soul land, as Ram Dass calls it, soul land, where the place of just soul to soul, that you're interacting with other people through the language of the soul. Then you're released from the ego drive of purpose and making one's mark and legacy and what that all means. I know that's really kind of strange, what I just said. [00:16:41] Speaker A: It isn't. And I heard the same thing from Alan Watts, and obviously they're very close. But here's an anecdote that I think illustrates that point for me. I remember the first time I Googled myself, and I wasn't the only person in the world with my name. And it freaked me out because I went, I'm not the only me. I thought I was a unique snowflake. But everyone's name, like, just people with your name. And I went, yeah, but that's not me. And I'm looking through this guy's life. I'm like, he has my name. Like, I've only known it as me and my name. Exact same spelling, everything. I'm like, that's not me. And it. I was like, well, who am I then? And then, of course, the universe provides. Then I had an obe, Like, a really serious one. Like, that wasn't like a dream or anything. Like, it really happened and I'm not in the body. It's like, this is who you are. Everything you just said, it was like, oh, okay. So, yeah, that's just the construct of 3D, whatever your name is. Family history, tradition, whatever, what you look like, everything. For those of you who haven't done this, Google yourself. And, I don't know, I'd be interested to hear if somebody didn't find anyone else other than themselves, I would guess. No, never. I don't think anyone. Okay. Elon Musk's and Grimes kid, I think, have a unique name. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah, there's no. I mean, yeah. [00:18:31] Speaker A: So maybe there Are but a lot of people with unique names. [00:18:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Even though, like I have a Greek last name and there's. There's another person who lived in Queens, two freeway exits from me with my exact name, with exact spelling. I was like, who is this person and what is she doing? Oh, for those of you who don't know what an OBE is, it's an out of body experience. [00:18:58] Speaker A: We'll definitely do an episode on that. I would assume on out of body. [00:19:01] Speaker B: Yeah. I have so many. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Or to help. Help people navigate that if they have it. [00:19:06] Speaker B: Because it could be rough. But what you were saying, it's like, how dare this person have my somebody this. Yeah, it's only my somebody ness. How dare you. It's really interesting. And our somebody Ness changes. So it's like a moving target because the somebody you were at seven is not the somebody that you are now. And what purpose does that seven year old somebody have? And now as an adult, let's say, how has your purpose changed? And then look at all the disharmony that can happen because as you grow up again, it's a moving target. Oh, well, my purpose now is to finish college, go to high school. That could be a purpose for somebody if they're 14 or 15. But then your purpose changes. When you say you turn 40. It's like, well, what's my purpose now? And that's where I think people have their midlife crisis, where it's oh, no, I did all the things. I was, all the somebodies that people expected me to be. I accomplished all the purposes, all the challenges, all the quests within my journey. I did all the things, everything was, you know, checked off the checklist. And now I'm 40. Oh, no, what's my purpose now? There's no quests. What are the quests? [00:20:34] Speaker A: I'm remembering when I was that eight, maybe seven. Eight. I responded to my name, but I never said it. I had no need to. I didn't worry about it. Like, people weren't saying what's your name? Or who are you? It was just doing my thing. And as you get older, people are like, what is your name? Or hi, what's your name? My name is this. Okay. Identifiers, as opposed to my soul recognizes your soul. And I don't have to say anything. Let's just start speaking. And for those of you who are in Europe or not, you know this already. But people in North America, if you don't know source culture over there in some places in Europe, it's an insult to Ask a person what their job is. Yes, you lead with that. They're like, oh, you're American, you must be Canadian or no. Well, they don't say Canadian, they say American. We're revered around the world. Apparently. I've never seen it. Backpackers with a Canadian flag or a Canadian passport, apparently it's like, oh, okay. But back to my point, because the next shiny thing will come by eventually. Insult. What do you do? What's your job? How dare you ask me what. I'm a human being. Let's just interact. Forget about the job. And when I learned that, I went, oh, okay, this is why I need to move to Europe at some point. Not being defined by your job or your name. [00:21:57] Speaker B: By your job or your name. It's so interesting that at seven you didn't identify with your name. I remember as early as three being identified with my name. I remember going to the church ladies, I was three years old and shaking their hand and saying hi and then saying my full name as a three year old and be like, what kind of coffee would you like? And then I would make the church ladies coffee and then they would give me chewing gum, which was like a big deal because my parents didn't believe in candy or gum or anything like that. But I was super identified with my name. And there's a, there's actually a book. I'm going to try to remember the book, but it talks about the numerology of your name and how it sets up a whole entire path for your life and it sets up harmonics and different frequency for your life path through your name, your given name. I did the whole process of figuring out my name and the numerology behind it. It was pretty accurate. It was pretty accurate. [00:23:01] Speaker A: Well, I could, I could definitely see that, especially with the syllables and then the frequencies and you saying it over and over again and hearing it for decades. And I know I went through this too. So my name, my first name is Sean. S, E, A, N, but it's the Gaelic spelling. And there's, so there's a whole thing around phonetics. You know, ex, antigu, eccent, grave umlauts. Those aren't language specific. So it's not German or just French. Those are phonetics. So when you say a name, you go up or you go down. So you're like chateau. That's the little CD again, I'm in Canada, so I'm using French. But with, with my name, Sean, there's supposed to be an accent on the A and people will say, are you French, like, no, that's phonetics. Because when you say it, you're supposed to go, sean, you go up. That's why there's an accent on the A. And for the longest time, I'm like, okay, like, I was going to actually change my name, but a lot of everything, I started putting the accent on it, and then it would be hard to find it on the keyboard and everything, and people would get all confused, so I just took it off. But finding out that those phonetic things are the sound of the way you pronounce something. Right. And especially in French, that's where I was familiar with it. But the umlauts and all the other stuff in different languages, same thing. Obviously, in different languages, they do apply, but the ones I was looking at, and it's like, okay, it's actually frequency and going up and down as opposed to. It's just part of the language. [00:24:48] Speaker B: And that entrains your somebody. Ness. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Exactly. And like I said, having said that name and heard it for decades, I'm definitely sure it's going to do something. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Well, if your name is Maria, you definitely best believe that you. That you have a trajectory that you're on, just because that name holds so much and it's such a. It's a name found in many, many cultures, and it's connected to, you know, Mother Mary. Mary Magdalene, so many other. There's so many Marias in the world, all the, you know, Virgin de Guadalupe, there's so much attached to it. [00:25:32] Speaker A: So. [00:25:33] Speaker B: So if it's naive for me to think that I'm not. My purpose isn't going to be connected to that in some way because of all of the history and the other people that came before me who had that name, who have this name. And so it sets you up in a very interesting way. It's like, I wonder what kind of Sean's. With that spelling, what kind of people they were, what legacy do they have and how you may be holding the frequency of those people within your life and how it's expressing creatively. I keep thinking about Sean Connery. [00:26:14] Speaker A: Well, newsflash, that's who I was named after. Stop. [00:26:20] Speaker B: I didn't know that. Really. Sean Connery, of all people, as I. [00:26:25] Speaker A: See him in interviews, like, the way he carries himself and everything. Like, I completely identify, regardless of the fact I was named after him. You're. Yeah, absolutely. And it's not because he was a movie star or whatever, but just hearing him speak, the way he intonates, his attitude, his little aggressiveness. And my grandfather is Scottish So I was like, oh, connection there with the name. So even when you're born and then your parents decide on your name, it's like they're putting that on you, and then you keep hearing it for decades, and then it imprints on you. And, yeah, it was like, as you were saying it, it's definitely making sense.