Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: The world of healing can be treacherous. But suddenly Spiritual aims to provide real, honest, practical spiritual knowledge and wisdom for the true seekers among us.
The goal is to ignite the divine human within each listener, raising the collective consciousness for our planet. We will challenge your preconceptions, push your buttons, and encourage deep reflect. We're not here to adhere to the status quo of what the new age spiritual market wants you to buy into and believe.
Consider this your antidote to the woo, woo and a place of woo. You.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: Have you ever encountered thoughts that just keep coming to you? We're talking about life purpose. And what I've noticed for me is that if I'm meant to do something, it'll keep coming around or people will mention something to me.
I remember it was a book for me. It was the Purpose Driven Life.
It was like, oh, you should read that book.
And then I heard it two other times, so three times. Usually it's just these reoccurring instances, or they could be reoccurring instances where you maybe you like to draw and you decide to doodle something just randomly and you remember how much you enjoyed it. You have enjoyed it. And then there's the, oh, yeah, I should start doing that again. I feel like with purpose, with life purpose, pervasive thoughts, reoccurring thoughts are again another sign that, hey, you should look in this direction over here of these reoccurring thoughts.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: That's funny, because I've. I've gone through something similar and a number of times where the thought comes in without me asking. And then I realize I'm like, no, that is sort of a habit thought. That's sort of a muscle from being used. It's a rote thing that's popping in. And because I'm aware of that, then I. I ignore it. And I kind of. I do the George Costanza. I do the opposite because I'm thinking, okay, that's sort of a habit. Maybe it's an addictive thought or whatever it is, and I'm wanting to go in this other direction, so I purposefully don't pay heed to it.
And I came up with this distinction, and this is very interesting, the distinction being if I hear a voice, particularly mine, with the thought, I usually.
And then I analyze them like, okay, that's destructive. That's going the other way. That's not the new Shaun or this version of it. But I find when the thought has no voice, when it just pops in, it's like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna listen to that. Because it's a thought as opposed to a voice, particularly my voice coming in.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: So what you're saying, Sean, or what I hear you saying, is that the Sean voice is ego and the thought is more spirit aligned, Correct?
[00:03:48] Speaker A: In my experience.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: In your experience, Yeah. I.
It's interesting because my ego voice and my spirit voice, they sound very different. They have different qualities. So ego voice usually has like a tinge of anger or maybe even envy to it. It has this little current, this little filament where it's hot almost. It feels hot in temperature or has a little bit of a spark or static to it where. Yeah, it's like very pushy. It has almost a.
Oh, well, you should. It's kind of that attitude. And the spirit voice is like just sliding a piece of paper across the table, like, silently. Maybe you should look at this. It's not even a maybe you should look at this. That voice doesn't even say that. It's just. Again, it's like sliding that piece of paper across the table that has a note on it. And you have to read the note because I think a lot of us are so inclined not to listen to that spirit led voice where it's become so silent that it has to slide a piece of paper across the table and have a note written on it for you. Read. Because it's in a way, been just sequestered and tamped down by the world. How we've been raised. So it's really about. Some people call it your intuition. It could be your intuition as well. And I think we spoke about this in a previous podcast about strengthening your intuition. So whenever I'm spirit led, and the more I've paid attention to those spirit led thoughts and ideas, what happens is that it's no longer a piece of paper that's sent over to me across a table silently.
It does come more like a thought, as you were saying, where it just pops in and it's very clear, not pushy. It's not entangled with any kind of human wanting or hooks. It's not. It doesn't feel like there's hooks on it or anger or pushiness or assertiveness or aggressiveness. It's just like being like a little light bulb.
[00:06:19] Speaker A: Well, isn't that like a universal. Maybe one of the few absolutes is free will, honoring our free will. So the idea I'm getting is. Or even with the notion of spirit guides, right. Only extreme circumstances, they'll. They'll intervene, but they have to honor our free will. So it's just like Let me just put this in front, okay? Either you notice it or you don't. And here's another thing, okay? And then by the 10th time, it's like, hey, maybe I should pay attention to it. But my free will lets me pick and go and acknowledge it and then maybe listen to it as opposed to the pushiness, like you're saying, the ego trying to survive. So as you were saying that, I'm like, okay, yeah, it's honoring free will. So it'll just push the paper in front of you and you don't notice it. And maybe the 10th time, maybe 20 years later, it's. They're still pushing in front of you. Then. Then, like you said, light bulb. And then you notice it. Then of your own accord, you decide to heed it.
[00:07:27] Speaker B: So it's funny that you talk about spirit guides and free will. My friend lives on an island off the coast of Washington. And this week she and her son were driving to Seattle. And it takes a long time to get into Seattle. And you do all the things and then you drive back, get on the ferry, and then go back to this island. They were on their way home and they were headed towards a ferry because you have to get to the ferry on time because they only take a certain amount of cars. And she gets on the freeway and it's stop and go traffic. And all of a sudden she gets this warning thought, you need to get off right now. You need to get off the freeway immediately.
And she without fail, asked her son, what's the next exit? He found it. They got off. By the time that they got to the bottom of the off ramp, the whole entire car was smoking.
They slowly get into a gas station. Her entire tire was ripped to shreds.
And that was the smoke. There was ash everywhere from the. The tire almost combusting in a way.
And it would have been a disaster if she stayed on that freeway and said, oh, you know, I'll just keep going.
But there was the thought before even the tire had the hole in it, that her guides. And she's very connected to her guides. Her guide just came in very. Again, not pushy.
You need to get off the freeway right now. Like, very, like just clearly, with no, no explanation. So if she didn't listen to that, it would have been really bad. Because when I saw the pictures of the tire, the tire was just.
You could barely figure out that it was a tire. The rubber from the entire round of the tire had completely just ripped to shreds off of the body. So, yes, we have free will and guides can intervene, depending on your relationship with your guides, which is a whole other podcast into itself, a whole other, whole other day of, of talking about spirit guides. But spirit guides will. It's not even, it's not even in emergency circumstances. They'll come in, hey, just turn left here.
Don't, don't go to that party. That's not a good idea. They won't even give you an. They won't even tell you why. Like with my friend, my friend Abigail, they just told her, get off the freeway right now. They didn't say. They didn't give her details.
So whether you call them spirit guides or whether you call them intuition, your, you know, your guardian angel or God, whatever you call it, that those beings or that energy force is really a part of you.
They're not just connected to you, but they are you.
Again, we can talk about this on another podcast and deep dive into spirit guides, but when it comes to your purpose, they'll come in and give you those messages. And it's up to you, with your free will, as you said, to heed their messages or not, but they'll come back.
And eventually, from what I've seen of spirit guides, in some circumstances, if they come and they give you messages for 10, 20 years and you're not listening, usually the lessons that are associated with those messages become outwardly more challenging to you. And then things get, in a way, forcibly moved.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's happened to me two or three times where it's like, he's not listening, so we gotta do this. And then it was intense pressure, intense circumstances, like life altering. And, you know, I got through it. I didn't even think. I just was in survival mode, did what I had to do.
And it was like, okay. And it's funny now I'm sort of feeling that currently, like, another one of those moments is coming. But I'm realizing, okay, I don't have to get pushed into doing that. I realize now I need to do this, this and this because I'm just seeing it. And, and it's funny because these changes and these things I'm kind of getting pushed to do, it's going back to what I used to do as far as the lifestyle I had and how it allowed me to be creative, because I had some creative spurts when I was younger of years. And the output of stuff I made was phenomenal to this day.
And I'm finding that now, like, I'm getting pushed to go back, but not in a bad Way like, oh, that made me who I was. Why'd I stop doing that stuff? And I'm starting to feel like, oh, yeah, this is how I used to feel when I was doing this, this, and this. And I'm purposefully cutting things out that are not serving this purpose that I used to have that I know I should have now. And when we talk about life's purpose, I think one of the questions we need to discuss was, I guess once you identify it, then who gave that to you?
Who gave you the life purpose you identify with?
[00:13:17] Speaker B: So a lot of times it's like a fake out is what I'm seeing. It's like, ha, ha, here's your life purpose. Oh, wait a minute. This sounds oddly like a purpose and thing. And the way it's being said to me or the way I'm feeling it in my body sounds oddly familiar. Like, sounds like something my parents would say.
And my, my father was obsessed with me becoming a doctor. Like, obsessed. I feel like it's every Greek parent's dream to have doctors and lawyers in their family. And he really, really, really wanted me to be a doctor. And so for the longest time, up until I was maybe in high school, I thought, oh, yeah, my life's purpose is to be a doctor.
And I went into college and I was like, well, my life's purpose really is to help people. But I don't know if I want to help people by being a physician. So I switched my major to psychology, and I got so much crap for it because in Greek culture, old school Greek culture now, it has changed considerably. But in my dad's generation, psychology and talking about your feelings and all of this is just complete rubbish. Like, it's garbage. Why would you spend money to go to somebody to tell them your problems? It's completely, you know, bogus and you're wasting your time. So what I thought was my purpose initially was really to, you know, to be a doctor. Then it was to help people. Then I thought it was psychology, but then going into psychology, what I realized as a therapist was that I was helping other people, but I was really trying to heal myself.
And so that was something that I needed to look at and do my own healing. And once I started to get on the journey of my own healing, then it became less comfortable, I was less effective, I think, even as a therapist, because I wasn't helping people in the way that I authentically wanted to help them.
And so I started to move. So my, my life's purpose got tricky. It got tricky it's like, well, I'm helping people, but really, is it about my healing? And it goes back to the way I was raised. So it can get really, really muddy really quickly. But determining whose voice, who is the one who provided you with this life purpose? And many times it's our caregivers, our primary caregivers, our families of origin.
But there are some people out there where my friend's brother from the day, like, for as long as she can remember, he wanted to be a captain on a ship, and he would study maps, and he loved it, and he just really, really wanted to do that. And he would just pour over these maps. And now, you know, he is a captain of a ship, and he has been for a really long time. But that's something that's so authentically his. His family didn't say, you're going to be a captain of a ship, and this is what your life's purpose is going.
So it depends on how you were raised honestly, because usually that's where those purpose statements come from, is your parents or your community, even.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: So I'm gonna go back to the George Costanza. I was like, okay, this is what the family, everybody wants you to do. And I came to realization. I'm like, I gotta do the opposite of that.
And I'm finding throughout my life, as I reflect back, that sort of permeates everything where I'm shown, or there's people in my life or things are happening and they're there to show me that I. I need to do the opposite of that.
And whenever I do, it always works out. So it's like I'm playing this is this cosmic game now where. Why. Why is that person there? Okay? And they're still. They keep coming back. And I'm like, okay. So I can totally understand and absorb how they are and their nature as an example, what not to do.
And I don't know if other people have that same sort of way of going through, but I notice when I'm. When I'm. When I think that way and I go, okay, that's an example of what I don't want to do. And then it just stays there. And I'm finding that's how I learn. I need the opposite to go, yeah, let me know every detail of that.
And then I pick the other one. And what that's saying to me is I'm definitely at a growth point where I'm done repeating the things that are around me. And I'm purposefully aware now that that is the opposite of what I want to do. But what you're talking about before was definitely parallel with me with teaching. And I think I've mentioned this before. You know, being in the music industry, I hated music theory and I just winged everything. And then I started teaching all of this stuff. And then the first year or two, I had to learn it to be a better producer, but it was part of one of the courses. I had another teacher that knew music theory, but then I found out, well, no, I have to learn this too. What if he. He can't do a class or something? Who's going to take over the class?
So I was teaching, but it was. I was learning while I was teaching, like you were saying. So then I had to learn the music theory for two reasons. And then all the other stuff that I knew from school, some of the topics of the little weekend, I had to relearn those.
So the first couple of years of me teaching was me learning.
And it was just an interesting parallel where you have to know something cold, you gotta do it. And then obviously, it's back to my thoughts on, you know, incarnation while we're here and the intellectual side of, well, yeah, let's just sit here. Let me imagine what it's like to jump into the ocean. It's probably going to be wet. It's probably going to be cold.
Okay, so intellectually, I've imagined what it's like, but it is not even close to getting into a meat suit, connecting all the nerves, and then going down frequency the three dimensions, and then jumping in an actual ocean. It's completely different.
[00:20:21] Speaker B: You know, it is, but it isn't. In the quantum field, you can tap into the state of jumping into the ocean and get into an altered state of consciousness.
[00:20:34] Speaker A: Isn't that piece of data missing, though, like the water on the skin? Like you can get all the data like you were talking about, but there's that one piece of data that's missing of actually jumping into the.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: I mean, you can. If you've done the jumping into the ocean before.
Okay, yeah, you could always tap into that. Yeah, into that.
[00:20:54] Speaker A: But what about a different ocean?
[00:20:58] Speaker B: Now we're. Now we're getting really, really technical.
[00:21:01] Speaker A: It's like different ocean, different temperature. Yeah.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: What if it's a sea and not an ocean?
And for those of you who were born after, I don't know, like 2000 or something, George Costanza is a part of a sitcom, a sitcom called Seinfeld.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, my bad.
[00:21:23] Speaker B: Where it's this. I think it ran for nine Years, this show, Jerry Seinfeld is the protagonist. He's a comedian, and it's based in New York. And it's like this ensemble cast of characters, and it's a comedy. So George Costanza is Jerry's best friend.
He's short, balding guy who can't keep a job, can't keep a girlfriend, kills his fiance accidentally.
I don't want to give the plot too much away. But he decides one day that every instinct he's ever had has been wrong. And what he should do on this day is do everything the opposite.
So there's this beautiful woman sitting at the counter at this cafe that they, that it's based in a lot of times. And one of the other friends is like, oh, I think that that woman is looking at you. He's like, really? Seriously, there's no way that woman is looking at me. And George, you know, Jerry says to him, you know, you should just go up to her, do the opposite of what George normally would do. And so he's like, okay, fine, let me, let me try it out. So he goes up to her, he says, hi, I'm George. I'm bald. I. I'm short. I. I don't have a job, and I live with my parents. And this woman was totally enamored with him.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:52] Speaker B: And she's like, you just ordered the exact menu item that I ordered for lunch. Because he had done the opposite and she had happened to hear it.
And so he decides that on this day, he's going to do everything opposite. And it seems to work out for him.
So that's the episode of Z.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: That's the basis of My Life as a Sister.
[00:23:13] Speaker B: The basis of Shawn's Life is a 1990s sitcom and a specific character, George Costanza. So now you guys know the other.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Part of that episode. See, people forget. There's three parts to that. There's always three stories. And it's actually called the opposite, season five, episode 22. And you're right, it was nine years. But here's the other thing as we digress into this. In that episode, George decides to turn his life around by doing the exact opposite. But then the other character, Elaine, in that episode, she's having bad luck the whole time. And then Jerry, who's the other male lead character, is breaking even the whole time.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: Whole time. Yeah.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: So, like, he'll. He threw a five dollar bill out the window, literally just out his window. And then he finds a five dollar bill in his jacket or, or some pants, and it just. And everything Just keeps evening out for him. And then Elaine is having bad luck, and then George is doing the opposite. So it's kind of always that kind of three. And the reason I mentioned that is because everything always evens out. That happens as well, a lot. And it has to do with me letting go as far as, here you go, universe, do your thing. I'm getting out of your way and doing the opposite and then getting out of its way.
I find just everything always works out. And here's a caveat that I found you can't. I think I've used the example before. I'm sitting here in my studio, and if I imagine or have a thought, hey, I want to go to the kitchen.
I'm not going to go to the kitchen by just sitting here and thinking about it. I actually have to do something in the 3D world. I have to stand up, turn around, open the door, walk down the stair, and go to the kitchen.
So still work has to be done. But for me, going through this, it's always a combination of things, and then it's not a finite destination. Right. It's always an ongoing journey, and it's going to change.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: I think our purpose is we can. You can have one main overarching like. Like I did, for instance, or I do to help people. But what that looks like, what flavor, what costume it's wearing can be very different. It could be working as a psychotherapist. It could be doing sound healings with people. It could be being a deaf doula. It could be helping people get their podcasting situated, or if they have music that they need to be produced and put together, you're still helping people by putting that music together and helping refine their talent and their skill.
So helping others. Looks can look very, very different.
[00:26:19] Speaker A: Agreed. And I find a lot of the time helping others, it really depends on the context, too. The more I've. I've been selfless when I am, the more I learn from the situation.
And if I'm looking to help somebody, that. And it's not selfless, like, I'm trying to get something out of it, it really never works out.
Which I find really interesting because I'm at the age now where I've had enough experience, I can look back and go, yeah, that stuff didn't trend. This stuff is trending. As far as my story of my life over the years and me repeating the same mistakes over and over again and then going. And that was the catalyst. It's like, I keep doing that. Let me do the Opposite and see what happens. And that helped me break the habit.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: You said trend and I think that's also something really important to pay attention to. Because if you are using your ego for the example of helping others and you're under the umbrella of helping others, but then you're helping others in a way that is very ego, ego based because you want to feel good, which we all want to feel good, that, that's, that's totally fine. But when that's your main driver is I want to feel good because I'm helping someone else. I want it to be very visible, I want to get all the credit for it. So it's very ego driven.
What I have found is when I'm going towards that ego place, then things don't trend right, they fall flat. I oh, it really wasn't as impactful as I wanted it to be or the person wasn't really as helped. You know, they didn't need that kind of help. I thought they needed that kind of help, but I gave them help that they didn't need because, you know, I'm not medicine for everyone. I medicine for the people that I'm medicine for. So it's not everyone. And when you're ego led, you'll start to see that things are not turning out the way you want. But you think, oh well, I'm doing my life's purpose, it's to help people. But helping people in this way maybe course correct. Try something else. Try something else and attempt as best as you can to take yourself, like yourself, your ego out of it in a way where you don't care if people know that you've helped someone in that way or not.
If you're like, look, I'm going to donate this, really this fancy computer to somebody.
If I donate this computer to this person, how will I feel if nobody knows about it?
If you do things anonymously, if it's like, no, I really want people to know, then you know, like, ding, ding, ding, you're using your ego rather than, no, I don't care. People, people could know or not know that it was me.
It doesn't matter to me.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I find in those situations, once I break through that question, then my, my empathy starts going up because I think if I was that person and then I received what I'm about, how would I feel? How would it change my life?
So I'm thinking, okay, if I was that person and then I got the computer or whatever, regardless of ego, that's a leg up. How would that impact my life if I was up. So then when I turn on that empathy and I go, yeah, okay, that is all the reward I would need to know that there's no other way this person in their life circumstances would have even had this leg up. And for me, it means nothing. And that's always an indicator, too, as far as money or an object or something or an opportunity where I'm like, what is this taking away from me? Absolutely nothing.
But it is 10xing someone's life.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: Egos, they're very tricky.
[00:30:33] Speaker A: They are very tricky.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: Slippery, slippery and tricky. And, you know, we all have them. We all have egos. And the more that you run away from your ego, the more it chases after to find you.
So really, your ego is similar to your shadow, which is a topic of a podcast we're going to do shortly. But your ego is not something to be battled.
And whenever you battle something, ego shadow, negative parts of yourself, however you want to phrase it, it just gets worse.
So it really is about making friends with the ego, working, negotiating, working with it rather than trying to eliminate it. People are like, oh, I want an ego death. Really? Is that really what you want? Or is that what people tell you that you want? Or is it cool? Is it cool to be like, yeah, I had an ego death or my ego completely dissolved?
Is it that it's cool? Or is it that you really want it? Or do you even know what that means?
So your ego is something to be your friend, to work with. Don't need to dissolve it. I mean, your ego's a part of who you are.
